Wednesday, April 21, 2010

Unless you understand human depravity and inability, Calvinism is foolishness....

Coming soon..

Mark (updated 21/04/2010)

Steve Hays took note of this loving blast from one Anthony Sacramone over on the First Things blog:

If Calvinism, especially in its supralapsarian form—which argues that God foreordained the eternal fates of humans not yet created in a world not yet created, never mind fallen—is true, then most of us are lost, and not just because, in the words of Dirty Harry, we don’t feel particularly lucky, but because we are asked to love a monster. A deity who out Hitler’s Hitler in a blood-thirsty self-preening is too repellant to contemplate, never mind adore. Especially one whose obsession with his own glory reduces every person to nothing more than an adornment. If this is true, let’s please stop talking about the sanctity of human life. In this horrific scheme, there is nothing more expendable than a human being. “I need more glory—throw another baby on the barby!” (Whether non-elect infants go to hell has been a long-fought controversy within the Reformed world, admittedly, but there’s nothing it its confessions or theology that seriously argues against it.)
I saw this linked on Dr White's blog, and it made me think again, of not only the misrepresentation, but again..enter... No understanding of Total depravity.

Sunday, April 18, 2010

Warren on Larry King.. And a few questions.

Some comments coming soon, in the form of questions for John Piper to consider based upon some of what Warren here espouses...

"I think Obama is a good leader and doing the best he can".

How can he speak like this about a man who supports such unchristian policies?

When Obama called and asked him to do the inaugural prayer, he immediately agreed to do so. No prayer, no conviction, just whatever the President elect "wants me to do and help".

Was that a wise thing to do?

Martin Luther King is one of his heroes, and he has a picture, signed, hanging in his office.

Is this a man who taught and preached the gospel? Someone to idolize?

He also has a picture of Ghandi as one of his heroes, a man who rejected Christianity.

The "gay marriage" issue is very low down in his list of priorities.

"I don't call myself a Protestant".
And from 7mins on till the end, I have no idea what he is talking about, except to say the "feel good" gospel and "seeker" model is alive and well with this man, which of course is not the gospel.


Rick Warren and his own practical atheism. Think about it!

"Can't we all just get along?", says Warren.

"Should there be anything peculiar about a Christian attending a memorial events which express worship of a foreign god? Well, apparently not for Tricky Ricky. Tricky Ricky is famous for his promotion of What Would Jesus Do (WWJD) pseudo-Christian Social Gospel theology. What a mixed message he continues to deliver.

Jesus would attend a Jewish wedding. He did. He was Jewish after all. He attended Jewish festivals. They after all proclaim the Gospel and are not forbidden for Christians to participate in. But would he attend Ramadan? Participate in Shiva-Linga?
No he wouldn’t:

One thing that we have come to expect of Tricky Ricky is that he above everything, including Jesus Christ, that he desires that no one would be offended because of what he does or says.
Christians excepted, of course.

Apparently, Warren finds no real difference if he can attend to worship of a false god and not be convicted at heart.

The passage out of Luke, by the way, is not a generalist proclamation of God’s universal love in Christ toward all. The passage is exclusivistic and is related to Jesus’ quoting Isaiah 61.

The Scripture continues, “upon whom his favor rests,” and is why Paul is later seen relating the same thing. The enunciation is the anouncement of the Savior’s birth and the judgement of the world and the calling to himself a chosen family.

It is the proclamation of the day of judgement, also. So no, the Scripture is the opposite of “can’t we all just get along.”
It is rather, “repent or die in your sins, if you do not repent the wrath of God remains on you.”

Warren may have friends next door that he is eclectic in his relationship with, but if he hasn’t told them yet they are going to hell if they keep going on without repenting, then yes, he is a universalist, not a Christian, and could not care less about his neighbor. Warren has said that his Christianity is a gamble, and his money is on Jesus.

But what kind of Gospel portrays Jesus as just another number on a roulette wheel?"

And this man shall be a keynote speaker for John Piper soon?
Simply amazing.

"Piper ought to ask himself why, if he and Warren are only separated by styles and secondary issues and not primary issues of separation such as Warren’s denial of the exclusiveness of the Gospel (he said it wasn’t up to him but Jesus to decided about those who reject Jesus) the world loves Rick and doesn’t even know much about Piper.

Piper’s message is not popular, it will not be accepted by the world. Warren’s, on the other hand, is sufficiently nondescript to conform any mold the world wants to put it in. That is the problem with Warren, he looks and sounds no different from his unsaved neighbors. The only thing that separates them are traditions that have only historic relevance and no eternal import. As Warren has said before, “Try Jesus.”

The blasphemous use of Jesus as a commodity to be sold through product appeal, tells the whole story. I am hoping that Piper doesn’t view Warren’s kind of non-separation with favor.
A real problem, one that needs to be addressed, is what happens to credibility, positively and negatively, when pulpits are shared. Now someone might say that this is a conference, there is a podium, not a pulpit. Well, that goes to another question: when we offer a “Christian speakers event,” are we not gathering in the name of Christ (in this case it is for the expressed purpose of expounding upon the word)? And therefore, isn’t this gathering, be it called a conference, a seminar, or whatever, really a church, or at least functioning as one? Piper cannot remove himself from the tacit endorsing of Warren, nor can anyone one else, when the venue is billed as being representative of what the Bible teaches.

By granting equality in the pulpit, that is at the podium, the authority of the teacher is granted to all who enter there, and legitimates anything they say outside that venue."


New Topic, "Public Name it and Shame it!"

Jesse Duplantis

First off I want to mention that I have never heard such outrageous stories from anyone like I have heard from Jesse Duplantis. You will be amazed at what this man expects good God fearing people to believe and the sad part is....thousands if not millions believe him and send him their hard earned money which only promotes bigger and more lies from this man. I give him credit for a couple things. He is very very funny and very very likable. Geez, what a resume' for a man supposedly called by God to preach the Gospel.

Jesse like the Copeland's whom he followed is a "word of Faith" preacher. Jesse lives and breathes the "name it and claim it" theology along with the "prosperity gospel" that he claims belongs to all followers of Christ.

I cannot say enough about this man so I will just let his words speak for themselves. Read on.

"I've never had the Lord say, 'Jesse, I think that car is a little bit too nice.' I've had vehicles and the Lord said, 'Would you please go park that at your house. Don't put that in front of my house. I don't want people to think that I'm a poor God.'" (Jesse Duplantis, "When Will We Yield To The Anointing of Wealth II," April 10, 2005)

Jesse Duplantis: "People told me, 'Well, they say, Jesus was poor.' When was He poor? I would like to know when He was poor. Well, He was born in a stable. Why? Why was He born in a stable? Because that short, deaf lady lost their reservation. He couldn't get into the inn. Think about that for a minute...And He had 12 full time people on His staff. Some were married and He took care of them. He had 70 part timers. You don't gamble for rags Marcus."

Marcus Lamb: "Yeah."

Jesse Duplantis: "You don't gamble for rags. You gamble for some clothes that cost. Don't you? He wanted a donkey that had never been rode. As I said earlier, 'You might want a car that has never been drove.'

Marcus Lamb: "He had a full time treasurer on staff."

Jesse Duplantis: "That's right! And stole for three years and the other guys didn't know about it."

Joni Lamb: "And wise men came to see Him."

Jesse Duplantis: "That's right! I mean He wasn't three minutes on the ground and the three wise guys are looking for Him with what? Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh. Let me tell you something, this concept that Jesus was in poverty is totally wrong!" (Jesse Duplantis, Marcus Lamb, and Joni Lamb, Daystar Fall, "Share-A-Thon," September 15, 2004)

"If I give $1,000 dollars I deserve to get back $100,000 because I am just, that's not greed!" (Jesse Duplantis, December 19, 2003 TBN, "The just shall live by faith.")

"With fierce prayers and determination to see my mother healed, I started talking to God. "What is going on here?! I'm praying! Dad's praying! Why isn't she healed? You cannot allow death to defeat me, God. You made a covenant with me through Jesus' blood! And that covenant says by His stripes we were healed! Where is that healing? If you break this covenant with me, you'll have to cease to be God! You must keep covenant with me. You must obey your Word!" I was honest with God. He knew how I felt, so what was the point in hiding it? I was confused. I was hurt. I didn't know what else to do. That is when God spoke up, "Jesse, I have a covenant with you, yes. However, I have one with your mother as well. You are praying for her healing. She is praying in her heart for Me to take her home. Now, I will obey My Word. But you and your daddy are battling your mother's will. It is her life at stake. You have Me in a hard place, Jesse. Someone has got to give in. Get yourselves together and tell Me what I am to do! (Jesse Duplantis, "My Experience Doesn't’ Change God’s Word," Article C-Faith) Can you imagine God asking a person to tell him what to do because He is in a tight spot? - author


Read the account below of Jesse Duplantis' visit to Heaven and his discussions with Jesus, King David, Abraham and more.

The Extraordinary Mystical Transports & Angelic Visitations to Jesse Duplantis Word of Faith "Evangelist", by Robert S. Liichow

Copyright © 1998-2000 by Rev. Robert S. Liichow. All rights reserved
Inner City Christian Discernment Ministry
NOTE: Emphasis and underline by the author, Robert S. Liichow

In August 1988 Rev. Duplantis was preaching a revival in Magnolia Arkansas. He feels impressed to go back to his hotel room and pray about the service that evening. He notices the clock (again) it was one minute before one o’clock. He gets down on his knees and gets ready to pray then

"Suddenly I felt a suction as if I was being pulled up out of the room. . .I heard a sound, Whoosh! And I was pulled up out of the room. . .I didn't know I had left the room and I was zooming along at a phenomenal rate of speed. . .in something like a cable car. . .Then I looked up. There stood another being. I realized that it was the blond-headed angel who had visited me. . . have an appointment with the Lord God Jehovah."

Jesse has an out-of-body experience and finds himself in an angelic cable car with the same angel who told him to get some sleep. This time we are told why this is happening, Jesse has an appointment with the Lord God Jehovah!

"As I stepped out of the chariot, everything I saw was so beautiful. I had always thought that when I went to heaven I would see only a city. But the first place I saw was Paradise; it hadn't been destroyed. Paradise is a big place, completely surrounding the Holy City. It is like being on another planet."

We are now informed that Paradise has (1) not been destroyed, (2) paradise is a big place, and (3) paradise completely surrounds the Holy City. Not only is this without any Biblical proof, but we seem to have a dichotomy between Mrs. Baxter’s revelation in our last section and Jesse’s revelation now. Jesus personally showed Mrs. Baxter that Paradise has been taken over by Satan in hell. Yet now, a few years later we find that Paradise is now sort of the suburbs of heaven. Who are we to believe? Which is it? Is Paradise in hell or in heaven? These two nationally known charismatic teachers both claim to have had genuine experiences but their experiences in no way agree! This is a logical impossibility. Even if their accounts internally agreed with each other they are still at complete variance with the Bible, and must be discounted.

Jesse begins to describe the heavenly scene. He sees children, animals, beautiful flowers, the River of life and trees lining the River of life with thousands of people standing around under the trees. Jesse notices something that again is a totally new insight regarding some sort of caste system in heaven:

"Then I saw other people who didn't have on robes; they were wearing gowns. They started walking toward the city, but they seemed to get weak. I saw them walk over to the trees, pick what looked like fruit and eat it. Then they took some leaves off those trees, put the leaves up to their faces and breathed in, smelling them. I asked the angel, "What’s happening?" He said, "Some of them have not lived the life they should. They believe in God and love Jesus, but they didn't live to their fullest potential. . . Yes God is merciful to them," he said. "But they have to be prepared to stand in the presence of the Almighty."

Even in heaven some people will have to work to make themselves ready to stand in the presence of God. They did not live up to their fullest potential on earth, so now they have to do some more works in heaven . . .then they can face God. The work of Christ is not enough, it obviously is not a finished work, we still have to do our part to make ourselves ready to face God. Hebrews 9:12 tells us that the work Jesus Christ did on the cross obtained for us an eternal redemption. Yet it appears, according to Duplantis, we still have to work on becoming perfected even in heaven.

"Some people don't live close to God the way they should. They know Jesus as their Savior, but they could do so much better. In heaven they will eventually be able to go to God’s Throne, but it takes more time for them."

Duplantis does not explain what it takes to "live close to God" but it obviously involves some type of work(s) on our part. I have no problem with the fact that one can live a dynamic Christian life or a mediocre one on earth. I have no problem with one teaching that people will receive varying degrees of reward from the Master at the Judgment Seat of Christ. I have an extreme problem with people having to do some form of works in order to merit an audience with God! This insight is a lie because it directly contradicts Biblical teaching.

Romans 3:26

for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Hebrews 4:16

Let us therefore draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and may find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 12:23

to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect.

With nothing more than a quick glance through the New Testament anyone can see that the one who has placed their trust in the work of Christ (as opposed to their own works which can never save or justify) are declared to be righteous (2 Cor. 5:17-21). We are exhorted to draw near with confidence (paresis, Greek NAS 3954; from Greek 3956 (pas) and rhesis (speech); freedom of speech, confidence, boldness, boldness of speech, confidently, openly) .

Why then does this change in heaven? Why does one have the eat fruit and smell leaves in (works) in order to approach the throne of our God? The blood of Christ has perfected us in God the Father’s eyes. However, Jesse’s experience gives us what really takes place in heaven.

"When I began to feel weak, the angel walked over to one of those trees, picked some of its fruit and brought it back to me. . .The angel said to me, "Eat this fruit so you will be able to withstand the glory of God."

It appears that Jesse himself at this point has not been living as close to God as he should have been, even though God appeared to him, he’s seen angels, and been teleported to Lafayette, and now is in heaven, he still needs to eat some angelic fruit so he can withstand the glory of God!

After eating the fruit the angel asks if he is thirsty, he is, and lo and behold, father Abraham is close by and he comes with a golden goblet to give Jesse a drink. This wise looking fellow comes over and Jesse asks him who he is. Here is the response:

"I’m Abraham, Paradise is my place. . .I felt I knew him like I knew my father. I fell down on my face before him; but he said, "Stand to your feet. The only One you worship is the Lord God. . .I meet all the people who come here because Paradise is my bosom .

After his drink he and the angel keep heading towards his divine appointment with Jehovah God. Then all of the sudden he hears children singing and praising God. What’s more they were carrying little harps (I kid you not). After this insight Jesse and the angel continue their journey to meet Jehovah God. At this point in the story Jesse is given further insight into heavens works system:

"They almost got there; then they stopped, turned around and had to go back. It seemed as if they were depressed. I heard someone say, "There is no depression here. Just eat of the Tree of Life, smell the leaves for healing and let your spirit grow. You shall stand at the Throne of God.""

Like my grandfather used to say "close but no cigar." Obviously these folks had made some progress in their sanctification but still they had to turn back to eating the fruit and smelling the leaves.

"All of the sudden, the angel stooped our chariot and said, "Kneel. He’s here." I felt weak then fell to my knees. The angel handed me some fruit and said, "Eat this." So I did. . .Jesus was taller than I thought He would be. I would guess Him to be from five feet eleven inches to six feet one inch. . .He looked at me and said, "There are many things you shall see and learn here, but I have brought you here so that you will go tell My people I’m coming."

Now we know that Jesus is probably just a tad under six feet tall, that He has light brown hair and that He especially wants Jesse Duplantis to tell the Church He is coming. Again, the Bible is not enough, the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy is not enough, we need people to take special trips to heaven and come back to tell us Jesus is coming back for us.

Jesus tells Jesse that He wants him to meet another king, king David. David we learn has a red beard and reddish hair. "Jesus said, "Jesse, I want you to meet the king of Israel." The Lord said, "Take Jesse to his home. Show him what I have prepared for him. Then bring him to My Throne. I must go." David begins to take Jesse to see his heavenly mansion. On the way they go into another home and Jesse meets the Apostle Paul. Of all the questions he could have asked Paul here is what he comes up with:

"I said to Paul, you went through great persecution." "Yes," he answered, "but I kept the faith. I focused my life on faith. That’s how you get things done. . .Never change the message because of the hearers. Speak what God gives you"

That must have been sweet music indeed to the ears of a Word of Faith teacher like Rev. Duplantis, Paul kept his focus on faith, that is how you get things done! Isn't that interesting? All this time I thought Paul had said he kept his eyes focused on knowing Christ (Phil 3:10-13). Now we see that really Paul kept focused on faith, and that it is by the power of faith that things get done! Well the angel has to move Jesse along, he still has an appointment at the Throne of God. However, King David tags along with them to fellowship with Jesse. What Rev. Duplantis shares next is extreme heresy, King David is speaking -

"He did use Psalm 23 as an example as he explained, " I allowed God and the anointing to come through in that song. In other songs I sang strongly about my troubles. I think I should have allowed more of the answer to come through, instead of the complaining. Those weren’t his exact words, but I knew that was what he meant. Then he added, " I wish I had written more songs about God’s answers than about my problems.

There we have it! David allowed God and the anointing to come through on Psalm 23. Some of the other psalms in the Bible, I guess we cannot be so sure about. Like a good "faith man" David wished he had written more about the answer than the problem. David wished he had allowed more of the answer, i.e. God and the anointing, to come through instead of complaining.

I really do not think that Rev. Duplantis has thought through the ramifications of his alleged encounter with King David and David’s comments. David’s comments imply that what he wrote was not equally inspired. Some psalms he yielded to God and the anointing (as though they are separate from one another) and others, he did not yield as much.

Romans 15:4

For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

2 Tim. 3:15-17

and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. [16] All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; [17] that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Then after this astounding revelation David takes Jesse into his home where here we learn that in heaven "all desires are met here. Everything has been thought of - all your desires and some that you could not even think of."

"I felt weaker and weaker as we approached the Throne room. It looked to me like millions of people were there. . .When the light from the Throne hit me I couldn’t stand up; I fell down, and the angel gave me more of the fruit. . .I look up from the floor in the direction of the overwhelming Light, and I saw Him! I saw Elohim, Jehovah God, Yahweh sitting on the Throne! But I saw His feet - only His feet. . . He is so big - you can’t describe Him in a dimension. His hand is huge! His body, the form of it, is sort of like energy, spirit. There’s a wall around the Throne, but the Throne is higher than the wall - that’s why you can see the Throne from every direction, from a distance. And that power, that energy-like smoke of God, covers all around the chair of the Throne itself."

Jesse still needs to eat the sanctifying fruit even though he has made it up to the very Throne of God. Like Moses he just got to see part of God’s body, and not His face. Yet all-in-all even getting to see the feet of Jehovah is more than any of the rest of us have seen! Also we get the extra-Biblical insight about some type of wall around the Throne, I guess some sort of restraining wall to keep Him from being mobbed by adoring family members.

"There was a cloud that looked like smoke going up from the Throne and I heard that massive sound, "whoosh! It was power like I’ve never experienced in my life. Then I saw God’s finger barely move and when it moved, an angel that was flying near Him was thrown up against a wall. Bam! It didn’t hurt the angel."

I am reminded about the refrain from an old gospel blues song "when the Lord gets ready, you’ve got to move." That angel must certainly have that as a revelation after getting splattered against the wall. During this time Jesus comes out of the glory of the Father and begins to preach to the assembled crowds "He was a preacher full of victory, shouting and hollering!" Jesse enjoys the sermon and asks the angel where’s the Holy Spirit?" He is on the earth He said." Then he remembers this fact and feels "stupid" for asking such a "dumb question" at the Throne of God. So now we know that as of 1996 the Holy Spirit is not in heaven He is on earth. Now Jesse will admit that God is Three in One, but obviously the One God is somehow separated spatially. In any event, the Holy Spirit is not in heaven.

"I saw new lives of little babies singing and flying around God’s Throne. It seemed to me that babies just came out of the breath of God. They looked like they were wearing nightgowns. . .I heard them saying to God, "Can I be a spirit? Would You send me to earth so I can be a spirit? I want to be a redeemed person. Can I be a spirit? And while I watched, I heard that mighty sound of God’s power, Whoosh! I saw these babies leave the Throne by the power of God."

Mrs. Baxter saw baby cherubim flying around the Throne of God kissing his face, feet, and hands while singing holy, holy, holy. Rev. Duplantis does not see these baby cherubim instead he see’s some type of proto-babies who want to become spirits. What is more these proto-spirit-babies ask to be sent to earth and they ask to be redeemed persons. Who makes the determination to become a redeemed person? Obviously we did in our proto-spirit condition when we, in eternity past, flew around the Throne of God in our little nightgowns!

What utter drivel and heresy! There is not one shred of Scriptural evidence to even remotely infer this type of theology. In fact, like with everything else Mr. Duplantis sees, the Bible refutes it thoroughly -

John 15:16

"You did not choose Me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask of the Father in My name, He may give to you.

Romans 9:11

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

I cannot take time to go into the doctrine of election. Yet the Scriptures are plain that it is always God who does the electing, not man! If we take Mr. Duplantis Throne room vision at face value then are we to assume that some babies want to be damned? After all, some ask to be redeemed people, do others ask to be allowed to be damned people? Even Jesse would admit that not everybody is saved, he does believe some folks do go to hell. So if what he saw is true, then those in hell made this choice before they ever came to earth. It is hard to imagine a preacher of the Gospel would write such things, and expect the reader to accept it as truth.

Before Jesse is sent back home to planet earth Jesus explains how He is dreading the day when He has to send some of the creation He loves to hell. "I wanted to reach out and comfort Him, so I put my hand on the Lord. . .I could tell that Jesus was hurting." Can you imagine? The One who upholds and sustains all things by His power (Heb. 1:3) feels sad and is hurting and Jesse tries to comfort the Lord God Almighty as best he can. In these closing discourses with Jesus Jesse comes to believe "we can delay His coming by waiting for a sign before we act on His Word . . ." Through this supernatural gnosis, we learn that people choose their eternal destiny as proto-babies and we also can delay the return of Christ by our actions or inactions. Earl Paulk must be correct then when he teaches that it is up the Church as to when Jesus returns. Jesse continues to humanize God by saying

"I didn’t know before how much He needed me to reach out to other people. I have always thought of how much I needed Him, not how much He needs me. . .He smiled at me and said, "I chose you. No one else wanted you, and I need you Jesse."

Jesus Christ needs Jesse Duplantis! I do not doubt that the Lord Jesus love Jesse Duplantis, I love him too, but I doubt He "needs" Jesse. If you, me or Jesse dies tomorrow God’s plan will roll on without as much as a hitch.

Jesse returns to his body and walks up to the front of the church. "Look at Brother Jesse. He’s shining." There was a light on my face. I had been in the presence of the glory of God." So, like Moses, Jesse Duplantis` face shines with the very presence of God. "I didn’t even preach that night. I didn’t say anything, but people began falling under the power of God’s Spirit! There was ministry throughout the auditorium without me saying any more."

What is the result of this trip to heaven? Mr. Duplantis gets to church but does not even preach the gospel. Instead something even greater transpires, people begin to fall under the power of God’s Spirit. We are not told if anybody came to faith in Christ at the service, nor are we informed if anybody rededicates themselves to serving Christ. All we know, according to Mr. Duplantis, is that people see his face shining and fall into unconsciousness.

As with Roland Buck and Mrs. Baxter I must denounce Heaven, A Close Encounter of the God Kind as a work of fiction masquerading as fact. None of the three people’s visions and experiences I have examined remotely resemble what is revealed in the Bible. In fact, all of them contradict Biblical teaching and doctrine.

Out of Christian charity I am willing to grant that Duplantis had some type of experience but it was not of the "God kind." This leaves me with one of two possibilities, either his experience is demonically inspired or is the result of his overactive imagination. His concept of the doctrine of God, the inerrancy of Scripture, and salvation are aberrant according to what he relayed in his vision.

Mr. Duplantis is a well known international speaker in Word of Faith circles and yet none of his fellow charismatic leaders seem to have any problem with his revelations. The editors at Harrison House Publishers did not pick up any doctrinal errors or question the validity of his experiences as they proofread his text.

Monday, April 12, 2010

Dr White, and Gordon Clark.

Recently on the Dividing line, near the very end of the show, James said he was not a Clarkian, and I believe he has spoke negatively very briefly on a few other occasions regarding the subject of Gordon Clark.

I have to admit to finding this very strange, given my understanding of Dr Whites views and methods, and his support for the likes of John Gill, Robert L. Reymond, and also given that he differs with the likes of John Murray and Ned Stonehouse who follow Van Til, one would think he would indeed think highly of the very capable Gordon Clark, so I am at a loss to grasp this.

I do know that years ago Dr White had a bit of a run in with one of Dr Clark's major proponents, the now departed and with the Lord, Dr John Robbins.
I would not think that would have any effect upon Dr White, at least I hope not.

I also wonder if Dr White has read any of Clarks works. If he has, surely he can see just how brilliant Clark was, and more than that, just how like-minded to himself in so many ways.

Anyway, just thinking out loud as usual. Everyone knows how much I love Dr White. I just hope he comes to prefer Clark over VanTil, that is my prayer.


Tuesday, April 06, 2010

Molinism detected, exposed, yet denied!

I have been listening to the recent debates between Dr White and Dr Brown on the subject of Calvinism and Arminianism (Monergism vs Synergism)and at about 58 mins in (found here), during cross examination, it becomes quite evident that Dr Brown holds to a form of Molinism, yet he would refute that charge, but I see no other way of understanding his comments, as ipso facto the very heart of Molinism aka "God's middle knowledge" as propounded by the Arminian advocate Dr William Lane Craig....

So far the debate has been useful, but as I have said before, a direct face to face public moderated debate would be the best way to have these types of debates, and as far as I can tell, both men plan to do exactly that!

Look forward to that.


Sunday, April 04, 2010

If it were an April Fools joke I would have laughed, but it is not!

A sad day. I am really bothered by this.
I have been seeing a real downward trend in Piper for a while but kept my silence because God really used some of his materials in my own life a few years ago.
Back then, around 2006 I wrote to him and asked him, pleaded with him, that he may one day finish his ministry with his head held high, unlike many other well known men, who when getting older made real bad decisions.

I am going to plead with the Lord for a change of heart not only for Piper, but Warren also.