Friday, May 08, 2009


Following is the announcement from the Mars Hill Church calendar itself:

Hour of Power
Starts: June 14, 2009 9:00 AM Ends: June 14, 2009 11:00 AM

Garden Grove, CA

On June 14 Pastor Mark will be preaching live at The Crystal Cathedral for the Hour of Power program. More information will be forthcoming…in the mean time please stay tuned to the Hour of Power website. (Online source)

What is going on?



Phillip Fletcher said...


Are we critizing Mark Driscoll,

who most certaintly bring the Gospel to a place where no Gospel is heard?


Mark Farnon (Tartanarmy) said...


No, not at all. Just wondering how on Earth this came about.

I mean it's not exactly the type of place for a Mark Driscoll, or maybe it is...Time will tell.

I tend to think that when you place a good apple with the bad, the good never seems to come out of it well, and sadly, Mark has a few rotten edges already before even going here...So, like I said, time will tell.


Phillip Fletcher said...


Thanks for the response. I would like to see this as an opportunity for the Gospel to be heard in a place where the Gospel has been put aside for humanism.

My prayer is that Mark would boldly present Christ as he is known to do.

Thanks for the response


Mark Farnon (Tartanarmy) said...

Well, if he boldly proclaims Christ I say Amen, I just hope he leaves of his own "Humanism" ie "Post-Modern" attraction to things carnal.


PuritanReformed said...

I guess we will see if Driscoll calls Robert Schuller to repent of his sin of inclusivism.

Mark Farnon (Tartanarmy) said...

Good point Daniel, but I will not hold my breath...Apparently, saying the right emotional and quasi-Christian things is enough.
Calling anyone to repentance these days is just not appropriate.

Perhaps he will simply encourage Schuller to follow his well aimed convictions, and lets face it, most Christians today will think that as enough....

We shall see. After all, is not Jesus ONLY concerned with our emotive heart desires? Our wish to be Godly and our desire to follow that which is good and right?

We shall see.............


PuritanReformed said...


I agree.

John C said...

I heard Mark at the 11 am service this morning. It was my first visit to a worship service at the Crystal Cathedral, and my first time to see Driscoll in person. I made the drive from the next count with my family because my wife and I have read a few of his books and listened to MH podcasts for a couple of years. Introducing Driscoll, Dr. Schuller said that he had invited Driscoll to preach after hearing him speak and being impressed by him. Driscoll's message was titled Vintage Jesus. Somewhat to my surprise, he advised us that his message would be difficult to hear because it would include information about the process of Crucifixion in a degree of detail that that many Christians never learn. However it was also a message that would indeed be positive and uplifting to those who would receive it. He proceeded to give a shorter version of a message that is probably similar to or ...presented respectfully to those listening, but in detail, without cutting any corners. I think his message surprised some, but it appeared to be well received. He stayed over half an hour after the service meeting visitors and praying individually with anyone who asked. He was gracious to all. I must say that I was very impressed -- by his message, and his willingness to stick around as long as anyone wanted to talk with him.

Mark Farnon (Tartanarmy) said...

Thanks for posting this, it is appreciated.

I would like to hear the sermon if possible.

The only comment which concerns me is when you wrote,

"However it was also a message that would indeed be positive and uplifting to those who would receive it."

When I was an unbeliever, and hearing the gospel, my experience was far from positive and uplifting, so your comments there I do not comprehend.

Positive and uplifting are not comments I tend to associate with the gospel, unless one is already saved, but I would imagine the vast majority in that place would not be saved, mainly because the gospel is not preached in that place.

So maybe, if you are a Christian, then you were uplifted and found the message positive (depending on what you mean by positive of course!)

But, how did everyone else there find the message?

Also, did Mark say anything about the "inclusivism" that is regularly taught in that place? and if not, why not?

Just wondering.


John C said...

In case you are wondering what eber happened to that the sermon Mark Driscoll gave at the Crystal Cathedral in June: It is going to be on the Hour of Power television show this weekend (Aug 22) and is available on the Hour of Power website today: Vintage Jesus

(Apparently he gave 2 different sermons that day. The televised version is from the first service.)

I thought you might like to know.

Best regards,


Mark Farnon (Tartanarmy) said...

Mark is a second rate comedian, nothing more, nothing less.

Any good he has to say is overshadowed by whatever else he says.

I have listened to enough by now to make my call.

I pray he changes, because he does have good things to say.