Sunday, April 26, 2009

New Label - Quotes leading to Hell!

I don't think anything has been done in the name of Christ and under the banner of Christianity that has proven more destructive to human personality and, hence, counterproductive to the evangelism enterprise than the often crude, uncouth, and unchristian strategy of attempting to make people aware of their lost and sinful condition.

Time, March 18, 1985

Robert Schuller

Sit down, Phil Johnson, Tony Byrne and Hyper Calvinism thrown in for free!

From Phil's primer on Hyper-Calvinism.

The most famous example of this kind of hyper-Calvinism was when John Ryland heard William Carey talking about becoming a missionary to India, and told him, "Sit down, young man. When God decides to save the heathen, He will do it without your help."

The above comments, and the story it contains, are much quoted in the general comments of modern Christians, particularly those who oppose Calvinism.
But is the above story accurate, or is the popular version stated above, what actually happened?


It is one of those stories, that degenerates the more it is told. Like the children s game "Chinese whispers", where the truth is lost by the time the last person hears the original story being handed down person to person.

John Ryland Jr., disputes that his father ever made such a statement.

In reading the biography of William Carey by his grandson, he says this statement is false. He says the event never happened.

Even the man on a mission to find Hyper Calvinist's under every rock, Tony Byrne commenting about the so called Ryland quote has said,

Dr. Curt Daniel makes the same comment in his doctoral dissertation on Hyper-Calvinism and John Gill. It is more of a rumor than anything well documented.


Saturday, April 25, 2009

Great post here from Phil Johnson and Spurgeon.

Pyromaniacs: Manly Men

Rutherford on the well meant offer....

Great post from my brother Daniel, touching upon the subject of the "well meant offer".


I have been going through a book by the Scottish Puritan Samuel Rutherford in my free time (hence it would take some time to finish it) entitled The Covenant of Life Opened (New Lenox, IL, USA: Puritan Publications, 2005. Original published on 1654). Here is an interesting quote by Rutherford relevant to the topic of the Well-meant offer (Two can play the "quotes" game)

And this is a Gospel truth now, that stands after the Incarnation, as before Romans 9:18. He hath therefore mercy upon whom he will, and hardens whom he will. And he said it in the Old Testament, Exodus 33:19, and repeateth it to us, Romans 9:15. I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion upon whom I will have compassion. And if any man say that he hath the like antecedent natural good will, to save eternally all these whom he calleth and moveth finally to obey, and the greatest part of mankind whom he so moveth and calleth as he knoweth they shall never obey, whereas he can move all finally to obey, without straining their natural liberty: He speaks things that cannot consist with both the wisdom and liberty of God. (p. 190-191)

Discussion of the Calvin/Servetus affair

A very helpful discussion regarding Calvin/Servetus from James White on the current DL....
Highly recommend....

It is not just the Atheists who misrepresent Calvin, many professing Christians are likewise Historically and factually challenged.

Sunday, April 19, 2009

Thursday, April 16, 2009

So called "Unity" of Roman Catholicism.

Interesting read from James Swan over at AOMIN found here.

One of the biggest claims from Roman Catholic Apologists, is that Protestantism's claim to Scripture alone, is that it makes unity a myth and confusion reigns.

Of course it is not true, even given the mess that we see in "Evangelicalism" today, which has for the most part departed from true "Protestant" principals, and has in fact become more Roman Catholic than anything resembling the Churches of the reformation, but I digress.

Apparently, as much as 70% of Roman Catholics do not even understand one of their main doctrines, namely the Eucharist!
So much for unity!


Friday, April 10, 2009

The Atonement of Christ Debate!

A debate between Dr. Joseph Pipa, Jr. and Dave Hunt.
Well worth a listen...

The Atonement of Christ Debate, Pt. 2

Panel on the Emerging Church

I watched this panel so that you do not have to!
Just kidding!
Give it a listen if you have any interest in the subject of the Emergent Church stuff.

And if I hear the the phrase "having a conversation" one more time this week, I shall think about becoming a mute in protest, maybe for the rest of my natural life!

Apart from Pastor Kevin DeYoung and the two young twins, the entire presentation was just frustrating.
Apparently, this thing called the Emergent Church is just indefinable, and most of the presentation was these emergent's (Tony Jones and Scot McNight) represented on the panel, throwing out bucket loads of obfuscation and offense, so that a real "conversation" was never going to happen!

A statement from Jones about one third of the way through about sums up Emergent thought.

"I think it's an extraordinarily naive statement theologically to say there's some plain sense of Scripture."

If you take the Bible seriously, those words will seriously disturb you.

Another choice statement comes from McKnight, when he says,

"If you want to describe a movement, you have to describe it to their satisfaction."
What utter nonsense. No, you have to describe it accurately. The JW's will never admit to being Arian. Nonetheless, describing them as Arian is perfectly legit, because it's true and accurate.

Describing the emergent movement accurately is what matters, whether they admit it or not.

During the closing statements were the best moments, especially from Pastor Kevin, as he touches upon the confidence and clear presentation of truth which we have in Scripture, and even though the two emergent's here seem to have the right terminology and a veneer of this thing called Orthodoxy, one suspects that beneath the surface and if given enough time to discuss and challenge their real views, would reveal a rather foul smelling aroma of teaching, but fortunately, we did not get that far in this presentation.

For a good blog post about Postmodernism and the Emergent Church, including McKnight, go the the following link, from Phil Johnson, a man who knows his stuff on anything emergent.