Saturday, June 30, 2007

Speaking of Open Theism

Speaking of Open Theism
Author: tartanarmy (5:55 am)

Do they really believe God's Word?

Interesting cross examination between Dr James White and Open Theist Dr Sanders.

All Good things must come to an end!

All Good things must come to an end!
Author: tartanarmy (5:11 am)

Since it was discussed over at Dr Whites site, that a debate may be on the cards with one Steve Gregg from "The Narrow Path", a debate I had wanted to happen for some time, I decided to pop over and get involved in some of the discussions at the forums.

Well, as the title above suggests, my end had to come.

After much interaction, going back and forth with some of the posters and particularly Mr Gregg himself, I could no longer post there in good faith, especially when my posts started to get deleted.

I enjoyed some of the conversations, but the place is a breeding ground not only for man's autonomy in the matter of salvation, but a welcoming ground for Open Theism, and it was my interaction upon that subject that led to my demise at Steve's board.

But it only goes to show yet again, that Open Theism is the logical outcome of Arminianism, at least for the thinking man's Arminianism.

One of the saving graces of Arminianism is the "inconsistency" in which it's adherents flesh out it's theology, which is really a good thing.

But sadly, it is way harder to say the same thing about Open Theism.

It certainly is more consistent with it's heretical views about God and the nature of the will of man, but the price paid is much too great, and therefore represents a serious departure from even the barely orthodox religion of Arminianism.

I faithfully tried to interact with several people over there, but in the end, it all comes down to whether we desire to have a God who is truly free and Sovereign in all things, or whether we shall cling to some shred of human libertarian free will, and share in the synergism of a salvation that really depends upon the will of man for fulfilment.

Mr Gregg has a lot of good to say in other Christian teaching areas, but his out and out "Synergism" permeates all of his thinking, and therefore, likeminded people can only get so much out of his teachings, but Calvinists or those understanding the sovereignty of God in all of it's fullness, can benefit from some of his otherwise sound Christian teachings in his audio lecture series.

I am of the opinion, that the man is heading toward Open Theology (others see it also). Not because it is biblical, but because he is a smart Arminian, who is beginning to see the problems and inconsistencies in Arminianism. But as he is a lover of libertarian free will rather than a lover of the "freedom" of God, he will do the consistent thing and move ever closer to real heresy. It is sad to see, but get used to it folks. Open Theology as a movement is everywhere these days, and it's ugly head only gets noticed when some kind of meaningful interaction beyond surface level discussion is pursued.

Then when it is discussed at a deeper level, be prepared for the discussions to begin to end. Once you take aim at that precious tradition of man's autonomy to choose and God's utter sovereignty in all things, the door will be shown to you, or a gentle push will cause you to leave by your own free will!

I still hope the debate with Dr White will go ahead.

I recently communicated with Mr Rich Pierce, the faithful man behind the scene at the Dividing Line and he likewise is hoping for the debate to still happen as soon as Dr White has the time available for it to go ahead.

Like all debates, I look forward to the cross examination, for it is there everything becomes plain, and error is exposed head on!

Such benefits the Church no matter what views you hold to, for God's sheep shall hear His voice, Amen.


All of the conversations are found at the link below!

Saturday, June 23, 2007

Michael Moore - Sicko!

Michael Moore - Sicko!
Author: tartanarmy (6:03 am)

Putting aside some of the man's political views for a moment, I could not help but be moved by the following speech regarding the state of health cover in the USA.

Coming from Scotland originally and now living in Australia, I am really thankful to have medical treatment available when I need it. Our system could be better, but what you guys seem to have is scary!

A few years ago, I was in Florida with my son and brother, and we took a cruise around the Carribean. Our trip was ruined by one issue.
My brother had a situation on board the ship, which quickly became serious. He had an abscess on his neck which suddenly grew very large and was extremely painful.

He has had them before, and has had to see the local doctor, who would cut and drain the abscess, clean, pack and treat it all in about 20 minutes or so, and for free.

On the ship, the American Doctor could do nothing unless an immediate payment of 1400.00 US was paid.

Now, when you have been saving for a holiday, and you are at the last part of the holiday, the last thing you expect is a sudden abscess on a ship that needs immediate attention, and that the simple cure would cost you 1400.00 dollars!

My brother paid it, even though I said I would knock him out and do it myself!

Anyway, that story is nothing compared to some of the stories I am hearing about you guys in America.
Whats with that women who died in the hospital waiting room the other day? The one who's husband rang 911 from the hospital!
Crazy stuff.

I am no lover of Mr Moore's sometimes not well thought out views, but sometimes he just gets it right!
What do you all say?

part 3

part 4


part 6

Monday, June 18, 2007

Truth of the Atonement

Truth of the Atonement
Author: tartanarmy (10:57 pm)

Yes, again I need to post this short clip from Dr James White!
Sorry folks, but it just needs to be repeated....

Short audio clip James White


Sunday, June 17, 2007

Infant Baptism clearly Defended!

Infant Baptism clearly Defended!
Author: tartanarmy (7:17 am)

Man, what a great, simple and edifying defence of Infant Baptism and so much more!
Wish I had heard this message in the midst of my own struggles upon this issue!
I can honestly say, that this is the sermon I would preach if asked to do so upon this subject! The man could have been me!


Wednesday, June 13, 2007

FOUR point Calvinism? I don't think so...

Came accross this thread from a while back. It serves to illustrate how some 4 Point Calvinists are confused, mixing categories etc. Read how (Major) is well and truly answered by (Westmin)!


FOUR point Calvinism? I don't think so...

Saturday, June 02, 2007


Author: tartanarmy (1:10 am)

You may not realize this, but there is an embattled group of religious believers in this country that is badly in need of protection from public hostility. Fortunately, help is on the way. Bestselling books by Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are providing encouragement, support, and supposedly rational argumentation to help lonely atheists who are feeling isolated in the dominant Christian culture of America and the West. Another morale booster is coming this month with the release of a new book by Christopher Hitchens: God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything .

Several new things seem to be happening at once. To begin with, the success of these books has put atheism on the public agenda. The main religious viewpoints in America are still Christianity, deism, and agnosticism (not necessarily in that order); but now out-and-out atheism is part of the discussion. The new atheists are hoping that more and more of their fellow atheists will come out of the closet and say that they do not believe in God.

The new atheists seem to be angrier than ever. They write with the kind of utter disdain for people of faith that we have rarely seen since the time of Voltaire. Sam Harris says his goal is “to demolish the intellectual and moral pretensions of Christianity” [see Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation (Knopf, 2006)]. If you are stupid enough to believe in God, Richard Dawkins wants you to know that he is “dumbstruck by your denial of tangible reality, by the suffering you create in service to your religious myths, and by your attachment to an imaginary God”—a God he describes as “a psychotic delinquent” [Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion (Houghton Mifflin, 2006)]. These are men who believe that Christianity is not simply wrong, but also evil.

Also new is the zeal these men have to convert people to their cause. We are witnessing a kind of missionary atheism that is not content simply to ignore religion, but wants to eliminate it. Britain’s National Secular Society even offers converts from Christianity a certificate of “de-baptism” as a way of making their atheism official [Andrew Higgins, “As Religious Strife Grows, Europe’s Atheists Seize Pulpit,” Wall Street Journal (April 12, 2007), A1].

Ironically, these strident, militant atheists often come across like the very people they want to criticize. They themselves are believers, for they firmly believe—without any scientific proof—that there is no God. Furthermore, they read the Bible with such rigid literalism that they sound like fundamentalists, doing forcible violence to the biblical text. At times it seems like they wouldn’t know a poetic metaphor if it came up and slapped them in the face (I speak metaphorically, of course). In effect, they are also evangelists, for they are actively proselytizing people to turn away from Christ. They themselves are openly intolerant of Christianity, even though this is one of their major criticisms of Christian believers. And all the while they are advocating the atheism of the 20th century tyrants who put more people to death, and more brutally, than any other worldview in history.

How should Christians respond to resurgent atheism? To begin with, we should recognize that this is the direction our culture is going. We are facing many other spiritual challenges, of course, from many different religions, but more and more Americans will simply decide that there is no God. Far from being embattled, as these writers try to claim, missionary atheism is getting emboldened.

If there is anything good about this, it could be the way that it helps to clarify the spiritual issues. It is mortally dangerous to be an atheist, but at least when people say that they don’t believe, they are clear about what they do not believe. If anything, it is more dangerous not to think about what you believe at all, or even worse, to think that you are a believer without ever putting your faith in the one true God.

Bible-believing Christians have little to fear from the new atheists, for their diatribes do very little to advance the age-old argument between Christianity and atheism. In fact, Dawkins and Harris have received brutal reviews from secular critics for completely failing to make any real attempt to understand Christianity. Their description of the Christian religion is such a caricature that even Christians would be morally obliged not to believe in the God in whom they say we believe. However much these men know about science, they know very little theology and give no evidence of having read any of the great theologians who have given serious answers to their age-old questions and objections. This is not surprising, for the Bible says it is the fool who says in his heart that there is no God (see Ps. 53:1).

The way to be wise is to believe in the God of the Bible and to live faithfully for Christ. Dawkins, Harris, and other atheists love to attack Christians by rehearsing all the terrible things that have been done in the name of Christ. Admittedly, there is plenty for them to criticize, from the Crusades of Europe to Apartheid in South Africa.

It is tempting to respond by saying that the people who committed these sins were never really Christians to begin with. But maybe it would be better to say that we also believe in the depravity of Christianity. Our claim is not that we are any better than anyone else, but rather that we need as much forgiveness as anyone. We also believe that there is forgiveness for us in Jesus, who died for all the wrong things that Christians have ever done.

Now we need to live like we believe it, with such sacrificial service to others that whatever else the atheists may say, they will never be able to claim that we do not know how to love. To paraphrase the apostle Peter: “Keep your conduct among the atheists honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation” Philip Ryken (1 Pet. 2:12).