Saturday, August 11, 2007

Eternity, time and Open Theism.

Eternity, time and Open Theism.
Author: tartanarmy (3:53 am)


Yes, God is eternal. But this may mean only that He always existed and shall always continue to exist. The word "eternal" may mean nothing more than this. It does not tell us what He knows or does not know about the future. There are other theological terms for those ideas.

Steve Gregg

This statement speaks volumes and does not understand what eternal or "eternity" means from a Biblical worldview.
How do we understand eternity with reference to God?

Does the word God and the word eternity in the same sentence have any kind of relational aspect to one another?

For Open Theists, and I am now reasonably sure that Steve Gregg has all but yet publicly embraced this position, the idea that makes God "subject" to this concept called eternity.
Specifically, that their is some kind of time aspect to eternity, that has God limited "in time" by both knowledge and ability.

Of course, from a Biblical worldview, the concept of eternity has nothing to do with time. In fact, eternity means time-less, or without time.
To be absent of time etc.

So for Mr Gregg to suggest that "eternal" simply means always existed is a misuse of the word eternal.

In one simple statement Steve Gregg knowingly or unknowingly pulls the wool over our eyes. He does so with a half truth, namely that God has always existed.

However, in stating that truth, he changes/confuses what the word eternity itself means, and uses that to introduce Open Theism in the back door unannounced.

If you are a wee bit confused, simply think about eternity and time. Think about death and time, and then think about why there is no death in eternity.

Yes, it is because there is no time in eternity. Time is a created thing, which is inseparably linked to space and matter. Eternity is something altogether different and yet is real. I know it is a hard concept for us time bound spatial people to grasp, but it is a Biblical worldview and one that is consistent.

Of course, such a position that God may be bound to time is not orthodox, hence not even remotely Biblical. That is the Open View at it's crux.

The orthodox view has time itself as a created thing and hence views God as outside and distinct to time as a part of His creation.
Think of an Artist who is not "in his painting" but rather separate and certainly distinct from it.

To further illustrate, consider the following questions. “On what page of Hamlet could I find Shakespeare?” or “which page of Hamlet comes before Shakespeare?”
God is beyond time; He did not come into existence at some point within time.

And that orthodox view rests upon the foundation of scripture alone. (Revelation 22:13, Genesis 1:1, II Peter 3:8, Psalm 90:2, 1 Corinthians 2:7, 2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2, Jude 1:25 and many more)

It is philosophical in nature, and yet men like Mr Gregg have the audacity to accuse reformed Christians of the very same charge!
Oh the irony.

Hence, what we are presented with is a different God to the one clearly presented in scripture.
Different God = Different religion.
Open theism is the logical outcome of inconsistent Arminianism, another aberration upon Biblical theology.

I warn you, that if you buy into this Open View of God, you shall shipwreck your faith and maybe even your very soul.

The Following is a list, by category, of verses used by Open Theists to support their position that God does not know all things.

Be prepared to give an answer.

1. God changes His mind
1. Exodus 32:14; Numbers 14:11; Deuteronomy. 9:13–14, 1 Samuel 2:29-30; 2 Kings 20:1–6; 1 Chronicles 21:15; Jeremiah 18:7–11; Jeremiah 26:3; Jeremiah. 26:19; Ezekiel 33:13–15; Ezekiel 20:21–22; Amos 7:1–6; Jonah 1:2; 3:2, 4–10; Joel 2:13–14;

2. God regrets
1. Genesis 6:6; 1 Samuel 15:10-11; Ezekiel 22:29–31

3. God is surprised
1. Isaiah 5:3–7; Jeremiah 3:6-7; 19–20

4. God didn't know what people would do
1. Jeremiah 7:31; Jeremiah 19:5; Jeremiah 32:35

5. God tests people to learn what they will do
1. Genesis 22:12; Exodus 16:4; Deuteronomy 8:2; Deuteronomy 13:1–3; Judges 2:21-22; 2 Chronicles 32:31.

6. God shows uncertainty about the future
1. Exodus 4:9; Exodus 13:17; Numbers 14:11; Hosea 8:5; Jeremiah 38:17–18,20; Ezekiel. 12:1–3



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